RacerJim: Mrs racerjim and I walked to the cache today to see if it was still there . I found it still hanging on to the tree that was it's host , but the tree was flat on the ground . Too many broken limbs above to be a safe area to hunt caches, so I am archiving this cache , I will maybe move it to the south edge of Squaw Creek park near the Phoenix cache . I really like the Sac Fox trail for its scenic areas .but I have lost 2 caches to floods,1 to the big sewer project . It is an ammo can buried by earth movers, I also gave up on 1 plagued by insects and rodents . Time to move out!