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Down in the Valley Traditional Cache

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Hidden : 2/23/2002
Difficulty:
3 out of 5
Terrain:
4.5 out of 5

Size: Size:   other (other)

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Geocache Description:

A cache located .75 miles up canyon in Gilson Canyon, on the road to Sitting Bull Falls. Very rugged!

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This cache is a 4" x 12" PVC Pipe with screw-off end cap. It is painted camo green. Please see the Canyon View Cache page for info on how to get to the area.

Down In Valley.......Gilson Canyon, actually. Last December, we placed Canyon View Cache on a high ridge overlooking Gilson Canyon in the Guadalupe Mountains of southern NM. Canyon View is a pretty difficult spot to reach, requiring a 500' climb up a ridge line or 4 wheel drive (serious 4x4's only). Scenic views in this part of the world are few and far between. We figured the difficulty might scare off some folks and this is really a pretty place. So, we decided to put another cache just off the main road below the cliff that could be done easily. In fact, we decided to call it Canyon View Jr., The Cache Potato version.

Well, that didn't happen, at least not yet. We went up to the area today to do the deed. We had always wanted to hike back into Gilson Canyon to a grove of larger trees (probably near a spring) and where the map showed an old grave. Gilson Canyon turned out to be a very rough, rugged, narrow canyon, with lots of boulders to climb or skirt and a jungle of cacti and other things with sharp points. For us Couch Potatoes, this is a valid 5+ on terrain (probably a 4 for normal hikers and a 2 or 3 for all you canyon runners out there). Elevation climb is only about 200-300' - it's just rugged.

Once we got to the trees, approximately 3/4 mile up the canyon from the road, we were done. The canyon floor above was more than we wanted to try. It took us a solid two hours to cover the .75 miles. True to the couch potato code of ethics (Section 104 - Overdoing it when forced outdoors), we went about .7 miles further than our good sense should have let us go.

We decided, "the heck with the easy cache". If we made the treck, by golly, then there was going to be a cache planted! So, we placed the cache under a bush on the east wall of the canyon, hopefully high enough to survive any floods (if not, then you'll have an easier cache when it washes down to the road!)

The cache is across the canyon from the big trees (probably Texas Madrone - there are lots of smaller ones in the canyon). GPS lock was not great - four sats. We would suggest getting a reading in the canyon floor and then moving in on the cache.

This is probably snake heaven in warm weather and there a zillion cuts and rocks for them to hide under!!!! If the snakes don't get you, the Nolina (beargrass) will. This is not short sleeve or short pants hiking. We exited the canyon looking like 4th place finishers in a knife fight contest.

To give you an idea how rugged this canyon is, one of the team missed a rock and sprained an ankle just after placing the cache. The rest of the team, rushing to help, eyed the .75 miles remaining down the canyon and the not inconsiderable mass of their fallen comrade, and asked not "Are you OK?", or "Are you hurt?" but rather "CAN YOU WALK????". Fortunately, for the rest of the team, the fallen team member was able to hobble all the way down the canyon, stopping only a couple times for sympathy ( and receiving precious little of that).

There are no special encrypted hints - if you get there, you deserve to find it. There is a little space in the bushes leading to the east from some huge boulders in the canyon floor. The cache is under one of the bushes on the lower canyon wall through that space.

There is another possibility to get to the cache. On the Canyon View Cache page, it mentions a road (or what passes for one) up the ridge to near the Canyon View Cache. If you continue on past the suggested parking area and down the road, it dead-ends on a lower canyon rim just above the grove of trees. The descent from there to the cache looks steep, but possible (probably 150' down). You might be able to make the descent and then either climb back to the vehicle, or just go down the canyon (assuming you left a driver in your 4x4). We have no idea if this will work - lets us know if you try and survive!

BTW, we promise to hide an easy cache in the Guadalupes soon. It is too nice a place to only have hard caches!

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Good Luck!!!
Team ZiaCache
Ed, Josh, Jake, Keath & Jim

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