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GC13DYM

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A  cache by jseadapt       Hidden: 9/8/2007  
Size: Size: Regular (Regular)      Difficulty: 4 out of 5      Terrain: 1.5 out of 5 (1 is easiest, 5 is hardest)

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N/S ? ??.??? W/E ??? ??.???  []
In South Dakota, United States

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Congratulations to SDTurtles on this difficult FTF.

"Live long and prosper, Spock."  -  "I shall do neither... for I have killed my captian."

The coordinates listed for this geocache are not the actual location of the cache container.  You will need to solve a math puzzle to find the real coordinates.

Problem: You are given three points:
    A = (W 96° 45.695,  N 43° 30.251)
    B = (W 96° 45.082,  N 43° 30.006)
    C = (W 96° 45.410,  N 43° 30.719).

Draw a circle that lies on all three points. The center of that circle is the location of the cache.

The cache is camo'd well.  Please re-hide it in the same manner.  This cache has lots of real cool swag, so bring the kids.  After the First-To-Find, I'll add some hints.

There are three ways to solve this.  Method #1 is more difficult but yields an exact answer.  With Method #2, you solve it on graph paper.  Method #3 pretty much gives away the answer.

No matter which method you use,  it will be a lot easier if you use only the fractional part of each of the points. That is, the actual answer is W 96° 45.xxx,  N 43° 30.yyy.

To get credit as a find, you must sign the log book.

In addition to the explanations below, it might be useful to do a Google search on the terms:
center circle three points, or try intersection perpendicular bisector.


Method 1: (also see these links: Paul Bourke, McRae Family, Dr. Math (true math on a sphere) )

The three points A, B and C are:
A= (xa,ya) = (695,251)
B = (xb,yb) = (082,006)
C = (xc,yc) = (410,719).

To solve this, we need to find the equations for the perpendicular bisector for line segment AB and for line segment BC.  The intersection of these two perpendicular bisectors is the center of the circle, and hence the answer.

The equation for a line is mx + b - y = 0, where m is the slope of the line.
Then, the equation for AB is
mab xb + bab - yb = 0,
and the equation for BC is
mbc xb + bbc - yb = 0.

The slope for AB is mab = (yb - ya) / (xb - xa), and
the slope for BC is
mbc = (yc - yb) / (xc - xb).
The slope of a perpendicular line to
AB is
m1 = - 1 / mab , and for
BC is
m2 = - 1 / mbc .

The x value for the midpoint of AB is x1 = xb - (xb - xa)/2, and
the y value for the midpoint of AB is
y1 = yb - (yb - ya)/2.

You now have the slope and a point for the first perpendicular bisector. With these you can solve for b1.  Find the equation for the perpendicular bisector for BC in the same manner.

Because the center of the circle lies on both of these lines, the center is the point at which the two lines are equal to each other, e.g.,  m1x + b1 - y =  m2x + b2 - y.


Method 2: (also, see this link: a good visual of what we're doing )

You need fine-ruled or very large  graph paper, and a compass.  Place the three points on the paper.  Next, you'll need to construct the perpendicular bisectors.  For a really cool demonstration on how to do this  click here.  Or, you can follow these step-by-step instructions.  For best results, use a fine-lead mechanical pencil. Draw all lines as thin as possible.  Each .001-minute that you are off represents about 5-ft error. With care, I was able to get right on the actual coordinates.

1)  Draw straight lines to create the line segments AB and BC. Any two pairs of the points will work.


2)  Find the bisector of one of the lines.
3)  Repeat for the other line.

4)  The point where these two perpendiculars intersect is the center of the circle we desire.  The circle drawn is the only circle that will pass through all three points.

 


Method 3:

You really didn't think it was going to be that easy, did you? Try one, or both of the methods shown above.  After this cache's FTF, and if the answer still eludes you, email me, and I'll send you the Excel file or email the link that will solve it for you.


Additional Hints ( Decrypt ) 

Decryption Key
A|B|C|D|E|F|G|H|I|J|K|L|M
-------------------------
N|O|P|Q|R|S|T|U|V|W|X|Y|Z
(letter above equals below,
and vice versa)

50-pny nzzb pna. Gnxr urrq bs gur nggevohgrf. Cyrnfr erghea gur pnpur gb vg'f bevtvany ybpngvba, yrfg vg trg jrg va gur fcevat. Nf lbh nccebnpu sebz gur rnfg, vg jvyy or oruvaq n gerr, naq 1 sbbg bss gur tebhaq. (Decrypted Hints)




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 June 15 by pkreun (669 found)
This one has been on my hit list for while and I finally went to get it. I have never been very good at manual drafting or algebra so I utilized CAD to make a nice perfect circle. TFTC

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 May 27 by jseadapt (136 found)
After some thought, I know why my strictly geometric/algebraic solution is different than what mapping software calculates. At the equator, each degree of latitude is the same distance as each degree of longitude. But as one gets closer to either pole, each degree of longitude represents less and less distance. When you calculate the solution with my method, it assumes that each degree of latitude represents the same distance as each degree of longitude. This isn't actually correct since we are almost half way between the equator and the north pole. Mapping software actually calculates the true center because it takes real distances into consideration, but then where would the fun be if you didn't get to draw on graph paper or do some algebra?


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 April 12 by Peter and Gloria (5231 found)
I thought that I had this one solved but maybe not. I certainly wouldn't call it terrain 1.5.
Searched for 10 minutes.

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 November 27, 2008 by dakotagirl1968 (2871 found)
It was a quiet day for me so I decided to get out and grab some caches. Had the coordinates for this one for quite some time - finally went out to find it. TFTC!!


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 June 26, 2008 by plainsdrifter358 (5189 found)
---(2008-06-26, 15:14: 6)--- We had these coords figured out for quite a few months now, and so finally got to town for the final assault. Ironic though as waiting allowed the water to rise, the terrain wasn't really a 1.5 today, more like a 3.5 what with the critters and lots of water. We wandered around some outside the forest and finally found a round-about way to the cache that wasn't flooded. We were delighted to discover the cache right where the GPSr promised; a bit of "evince" would have been nice. We made our trades and performed the signing ritual and returned to the geo-mobile as quickly as possible. Thanks for putting this one here; a great puzzle and hide. T :light stick gird coasters; L: Home town note sheets and emergency sewing kit. Good Hide! TFTC! SL..

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Last Updated: 6/16/2009 12:51:02 AM
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