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GC13DYM

Unknown CacheAmok Time

A cache by jseadapt     Hidden: 9/8/2007

Size: Size: Regular (Regular)     Difficulty: 4 out of 5     Terrain: 1.5 out of 5 (1 is easiest, 5 is hardest)


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N/S ? ??.??? W/E ??? ??.??? 
In South Dakota, United States

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Congratulations to SDTurtles on this difficult FTF.

"Live long and prosper, Spock."  -  "I shall do neither... for I have killed my captian."

The coordinates listed for this geocache are not the actual location of the cache container.  You will need to solve a math puzzle to find the real coordinates.

Problem: You are given three points:
    A = (W 96° 45.695,  N 43° 30.251)
    B = (W 96° 45.082,  N 43° 30.006)
    C = (W 96° 45.410,  N 43° 30.719).

Draw a circle that lies on all three points. The center of that circle is the location of the cache.

The cache is camo'd well.  Please re-hide it in the same manner.  This cache has lots of real cool swag, so bring the kids.  After the First-To-Find, I'll add some hints.

There are three ways to solve this.  Method #1 is more difficult but yields an exact answer.  With Method #2, you solve it on graph paper.  Method #3 pretty much gives away the answer.

No matter which method you use,  it will be a lot easier if you use only the fractional part of each of the points. That is, the actual answer is W 96° 45.xxx,  N 43° 30.yyy.

To get credit as a find, you must sign the log book.

In addition to the explanations below, it might be useful to do a Google search on the terms:
center circle three points, or try intersection perpendicular bisector.


Method 1: (also see these links: Paul Bourke, McRae Family, Dr. Math (true math on a sphere) )

The three points A, B and C are:
A= (xa,ya) = (695,251)
B = (xb,yb) = (082,006)
C = (xc,yc) = (410,719).

To solve this, we need to find the equations for the perpendicular bisector for line segment AB and for line segment BC.  The intersection of these two perpendicular bisectors is the center of the circle, and hence the answer.

The equation for a line is mx + b - y = 0, where m is the slope of the line.
Then, the equation for AB is
mabxb + bab - yb = 0,
and the equation for BC is
mbcxb + bbc - yb = 0.

The slope for AB is mab = (yb - ya) / (xb - xa), and
the slope for BC is
mbc = (yc - yb) / (xc - xb).
The slope of a perpendicular line to
AB is
m1 = - 1 / mab, and for
BC is
m2 = - 1 / mbc.

The x value for the midpoint of AB is x1 = xb - (xb - xa)/2, and
the y value for the midpoint of AB is
y1 = yb - (yb - ya)/2.

You now have the slope and a point for the first perpendicular bisector. With these you can solve for b1.  Find the equation for the perpendicular bisector for BC in the same manner.

Because the center of the circle lies on both of these lines, the center is the point at which the two lines are equal to each other, e.g.,  m1x + b1 - y =  m2x + b2 - y.


Method 2: (also, see this link: a good visual of what we're doing )

You need fine-ruled or very large  graph paper, and a compass.  Place the three points on the paper.  Next, you'll need to construct the perpendicular bisectors.  For a really cool demonstration on how to do this  click here.  Or, you can follow these step-by-step instructions.  For best results, use a fine-lead mechanical pencil. Draw all lines as thin as possible.  Each .001-minute that you are off represents about 5-ft error. With care, I was able to get right on the actual coordinates.

1)  Draw straight lines to create the line segments AB and BC. Any two pairs of the points will work.


2)  Find the bisector of one of the lines.
3)  Repeat for the other line.

4)  The point where these two perpendiculars intersect is the center of the circle we desire.  The circle drawn is the only circle that will pass through all three points.

 


Method 3:

You really didn't think it was going to be that easy, did you? Try one, or both of the methods shown above.  After this cache's FTF, and if the answer still eludes you, email me, and I'll send you the Excel file or email the link that will solve it for you.

 


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Decryption Key

A|B|C|D|E|F|G|H|I|J|K|L|M
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N|O|P|Q|R|S|T|U|V|W|X|Y|Z

(letter above equals below, and vice versa)

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 January 9 by sk8erT (167 found)
found with bakergekoes
TFTC

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 January 9 by BakerGeckos (381 found)
Wow with the snow I took what was the "easy" route not bad I felt something below drop and I lifted my foot and there was water so I moved lightly after that we made the find and as we left I told sk8erT to not go back that rought of course he never listen to me the next thing you hear is oops I just lost my shoe. I started loughting my head off until I saw what his shoes looked like and then I goT the smell needless to say my pocket book was emptier for a new pair of shoes and the old ones were tossed but it was still funny watching go though the snow in his stocking feet with it only being 2 degrees out side (his feet are fine no frost bite) TFTC it was worth it.

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 January 1 by TheGeneral1004 (913 found)
First find of the New Year! Wow, and this is one that I'll never forget. Out with Toddandkids, well sort of---and he was very kind not to log the entire story. I wasn't going to either but decided I didn't want others to go through what happened to me. You'd think that 2 below zero would be cold enough to freeze just about any body of water, right? Well, think again. I was at GZ before toddandkids and was making the "General" search of the area when I found it-nope not the cache--but water! Cold, I mean freezing cold and stinking muddy, dirty, ranky, YUCK! It was up to knee and in my boot and was the dirtiest, stentch you can imagine. Toddandkids made the find and brought the container to my house for some clean-up. We got rid of the items that were soaked with the frozen spilled bubble mess and cleaned the inside of the container for others to find. Long story short, I GOT NEW BOOTS! SL TheGeneral1004 (Amok Time is one that I will never forget.) TFTC

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 January 1 by Toddandkids (1125 found)
I had solved this quite a while back using graph paper and a compass. That was a task in itself. I tried looking nearly 9 months ago but had not dressed for the area so the search was a no-go. Today TheGeneral and I tackled it. With this snow the more eyes the better. So many hiding spots. It was an advenure. Found the cache but could not open it at first. Took it back to the truck and plopped it in front of the heater to thaw. After getting it open we saw that 2 soap bubble bottles had exploded and a lot of soaked/yucky things inside. We cleaned up what was salvagable, wiped out the container and put the good stuff back in. The logbook, elec. rolodex, elec. fishing game and some other things are still good. I didn't have any swag to replace some of the yucky stuff. Enjoyed the hunt and adventure. TFTC. SL.

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 June 15, 2009 by pkreun (708 found)
This one has been on my hit list for while and I finally went to get it. I have never been very good at manual drafting or algebra so I utilized CAD to make a nice perfect circle. TFTC

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Current Time: 2/10/2010 2:25:19 AM (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) (10:25 AM GMT)
Last Updated: 1/18/2010 5:50:46 PM (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) (1:50 AM GMT)
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Coordinates are in the WGS84 datum


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