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Some of the trinkets that have been added to the Seattle FTF Bell are trackable, so I want to add a list of the trackable items. Please list future trackable items in a note on the Bell page.
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| I concur with cr98 and Fishiam.....do not take this personally, Doug...it is probably a good thing that it happened since now it has been clarified...it was never about you.....just about how we see the Seattle (TUS!) Bell, and you, as well as everyone on this list, should be proud that you got it. When I started caching, TUS were indeed a Seattle caching phenomenon and I had to work VERY hard just to get a FTF! I was proud of THAT! I too had just marginally heard of the TUS Bell but never thought I would get it since I rarely do puzzles...but happened to be home when one that I COULD do with the Bell in it popped up. I think many of us have been into the FTF thing...especially when we started caching...and you DO have a target on your back sometimes....some folks are jealous and give you a hard time, some get more competitive, some whine. Many don't even care and never do the FTF thing. I think it gets old for many of us...I was losing sleep and focus at one time so I gave the intensity of it up, but I never tire of opening up that log book and seeing a clean white sheet. I just don't lose sleep over it now...OH WAIT.....A NEW CACHE JUST GOT PUBLISHED!!! Hah...gotcha! |
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Thank you all for your input and thoughtful discussion. I feel confident that the right thing to do is to make this unwritten rule explicit. I'm normally one who supports everyone's desire to play this game in their own way, but the Bell is part of the Seattle geocaching community and there seems to be quite the consensus on only finders (or those who contributed to the find) logging it. So I'll write it in to the description tonight. Thanks again, everyone!  |
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Doug, do not fret at all. You did a great job in getting the FTF and the Bell, and you have only done yourself and the Bell proud with your logs, pictures and YouTube video (which is awesome!). This was indeed an unwritten expectation by those that searched for and found the Bell, and you could not be expected to have known that (especially since the first I heard about it was last week...). Many of us have hunted those elusive, exciting FTFs for short or long periods of our caching careers, and you should be proud of your FTF accomplishments.  |
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| "Trackable Items on the Bell Some of the trinkets that have been added to the Seattle FTF Bell are trackable, so I want to add a list of the trackable items. Please list future trackable items in a note on the Bell page."
Note: TB2EXFW Underwater Caching Geocoin added to Seattle FTF Bell.
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Hey Doug (towtrkdug),
I concur with crs98 that it is especially appropriate that you got the Seattle FTF bell, in particular given your summary about the antagonism you are are facing in regards to your impressive recent FTF accomplishments. There is actually a fair amount of history behind the Seattle FTF bell, the most important of which is that it was not initially called the Seattle FTF bell, but rather the TUS FTF bell. What does TUS stand for you might ask? Tiresome Usual Suspects, a moniker (derisively) hung on a group of us back in 2005/2006 that were a largish (8-10) group of avid FTF'ers. We were fiercely competitive, going after all forms of new postings - from 1/1 traditionals to the toughest puzzles. Team Maccabee rather brilliantly created the bell as a way of both defusing and illuminating the competitive FTF scene in Seattle at the time. Well, time changes many things and the TUS eventually disbanded, some no longer cache, most no longer chase FTFs and a couple of years ago the bell was renamed to make it more inclusive of the general Seattle scene.So, enjoy the fact you FTF'ed the Bell, and don't take it personal that the discussion about Discovery is taking place. It's only natural after this long and obviously some of us have devoted many long hours in pursuit of the bell ... which never gets old to reclaim. cheers
fish ps - it is in fact possible to id online all the items in the Madison Ave cache but there were multiple online answers for a couple. |
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| Doug, I for one am quite glad you found the bell. You've had an amazing run up here in the northland with FTF-ing caches and that is something that you can be proud of. Nevertheless, the fact that you didn't do puzzle caches (at least until now) meant that you couldn't grab the FTF bell. I think it's great that you've started to do puzzle caches and I hope you find that they can be as fun (in my opinion even more so) than traditional caches. I don't believe that anybody is mad at you personally for allowing a couple of people to log the bell as a discovery. Until now, nobody had done so, but the rule was never written down. There is no reason for anyone to expect that you could have read the mind of everyone else. If you hadn't allowed discovery of the bell and items associated with it, somebody else would have eventually. Team Macabee asked the question of what everyone thinks and that is why people are weighing in. The discussion really has nothing to do with you personally, mostly it's aimed at trying to decide if the unwritten rule should be made official. As the owner of the bell, Team Macabee has the final say, but he's graciously asked all of us (yourself included) for an opinion.
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| I feel like a dog with my tail between my legs. I was so proud and now I just wish I never got it. HONESTLY, I only went to this cache trying to score an FTF. I read over the BELL thing in your page without paying attention and went straight to the puzzle. Worked on it from 12:30 to 3:00 AM with all I could accomplish on line which was not enough to get the coords. Believe me, there are 2 pictures you can not get to the bottom of on line. They will take a trip to the store. Woke at 6:30 and went straight to the store with no shower. Then another store. Then back home to get and check coords. Then to the final and late for work. Made find and it was full of stuff ? Opened lid and out comes this tangled somethingness. Saw trackables and a bell and THEN remembered SOMETHING (?) about a bell. I have heard something (?) before about some bell from talking to EFHutton once. Again, not really paying attention I guess. Also grabbed a coin. Got home to log and find out what this THING was. Wow .... I have THIS ?!?!? Then felt bad for taking coin and went back to return it. Now REALLY late for work. This is my first "puzzle". The others I have have been a puzzle of a different style like a googleable Corvette thing that took 4 minutes to solve, another with logic pictures, and one that you had to get a ball through a maze. Nothing like this. The point I'm making is that I went for the FTF on a puzzle that I was hours into ( I think I nicked my brain on something sharp that night ) and found the bell that I knew nothing about. I am probably the only person to get the bell that wasn't going "for" the bell. Then I get to Oregon.....and a TV crew interviews me ??? ( my wife taped the interview on our camera so I have the footage BTW ) The 2 logs about discovery are 1 - my wife, since deleted, and 2 - the guy at the original stash plaque that also got interviewed. I emailed him with no answer as of yet which is why his log still exists. I told Tango 501 not to log the numbers he wrote down when I showed it to him, and I caught him in time. Other than that, only >---^---:) came over to my house and looked at it, which he has had it before so of course he won't discover. That should be it. And now all this. I was hoping to sneak in as a fellow to all you big guys, but now I feel like I threw myself under the bus by breaking an untold and unwritten rule. I am truly disgusted by all this. It does not help that I am currently catching ALOT of crap and stabs on logs about all the FTF's I'm getting. I have 50 in 5 months and felt proud. Now I feel like I'm wearing out a welcome. |
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| I almost hate to add another comment, but here I go. When I first learned of this Trackable I was FTF hounding out of my area. I had the pleasure to Meet Aviatrix and learn of the FTF Bell. We found it together. IMHO the point is to get your hands on it, and show off your hard work in beating out everyone else to get to it first. I personally dont mind people discovering the bell if they are being shown it. Afterall once they see it why wouldnt they want to FTF for it? I like to see peopple be more descriptive in thier logs. Ie..... "Damn that Aviatrix she got the FTF bell and showed it to me now I wanna beat her to it next time." Dropping that kind of comment wouldnt lessen a discovery and would promote good will to those that have seen it and just are not lucky enough to be around when the cache is posted. I think getting picky about logs defeats the purpose of caching and the FTF bell. Remember healthy competition is still sposed to be fun. |
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| I agree with Rod and others with that opinion.... It is, after all, a FTF TB and I would say a special Seattle geocaching phenomenon, ..that was part of the "fun" of going for it; however, having said that, it was also always supposed to stay in Seattle, as the description says, to be found and hidden here, and it has wandered up north...perhaps other directions too, I don't know...but I also think it should stay in Seattle. The folks in West Seattle and many living up North and East have all had to come here to retrieve it...again, just my 2 cents......... |
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| Looks like a good number of the finders of the bell have weighed in so I guess it's time for a non-Finder but avid seeker to have a turn. I have been on the hunt for the bell for nearly two years and as of yet I have not been able to get there first and I know that once I did, if it was OK for non-finders to discover it that it would lessen the expereiince for me. I'd liek to see it remain a log it only if you FTF it prize. |
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