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This cache has been archived.

The Rat: The container, which is part of the charm of this cache, is unrepairable. I'm afraid I have to archive this.

Mystery Cache

A gathering of hands

A cache by PhilippeGPS (maintained by The Rat) Send Message to Owner Message this owner
Hidden : 5/14/2004
3 out of 5
1 out of 5

Size: Size: micro (micro)

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Geocache Description:

This is a puzzle cache. The posted coordinates are not the actual coordinates of the cache. Solve the puzzle below to get the coordinates, which will be within 2 miles of the posted coordinates.

Like Digits this is a puzzle with instructions. There are no hidden hints or clues. Find an elegant way to solve it, and you won't need any programming or a spreadsheet, maybe just a calculator (*).

On an analog clock with 3 hands (hours, minutes, seconds), the 3 hands overlap exactly only once every 12 hours, at noon and midnight. In between, those 3 hands have several  near misses, but never overlap perfectly. Find the exact time, in hours, minutes, seconds and 1000ths of a second, when the 3 hands have the closest near miss (excluding anything within 5 minutes before and after noon/midnight, which isn't a near miss). Define the closeness as the size of the inside angle between the hands at any time. You are looking for the time when the largest of the 3 inside angles formed by the 3 hands (h & m, h & s and m & s) is the smallest. You should find 2 solutions with the exact same angle. 

Use the earliest solution, T1,  to calculate the coordinates of the cache:

T1 = A hours, B minutes, C seconds and D/1000ths of a second
        (hours go from 0 to 11, minutes and seconds go from 0 to 59)

N = [((A * B) + 11) * D] + (C -5)

W = (C - 2) * D + (2 * A * B) + 1

The cache is located at:

North 37º nn.nnn (where nn.nnn = N/1000)

West 122º ww.www (where ww.www = W/1000)

Use the latest solution, T2, to get a  location hint:

T2 =  E hours, F minutes, G seconds and H/1000ths of a second
        (hours go from 0 to 11, minutes and seconds go from 0 to 59)

X = (2 * E * F) - (H + G)

Y= (F + E + E + 4)/G

Cache is located X ft high, facing Y "hours" true north.

The cache can be found with the coordinates only. But it will be harder. The cache is slightly larger than a micro, but does only contain the log sheet and stash note. Bring your own pen.

(*) if you'd like to receive the elegant solution after your find, email me your final coordinates and I'll reply with the elegant solution.

Additional Hints (Decrypt)

[Do not remove the red tape. Peel it back to access the log sheet, and replace it when done.]

Decryption Key


(letter above equals below, and vice versa)



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Found it 45     Didn't find it 1     Write note 1     Archive 1     Temporarily Disable Listing 1     Owner Maintenance 1     

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Last Updated: on 11/15/2017 3:57:58 PM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) (11:57 PM GMT)
Rendered From:Unknown
Coordinates are in the WGS84 datum

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