One long night of calculations to trilaterate a position, one GPSr trilaterating its heart out to pin point the same position over and over again, one determined geocacher circling the position and one cache that was just as determined not to be found. The neighbors started giving me looks as they drove by and I kept parking at this spot, taking a fresh look each time and still not finding anything. GPS was working perfectly and pointed me right at the same spot every time, but there was just nothing there to find or so I thought. I had to work the geocaching phone network only to get pointed back to what I had been looking at the whole time. And finally tada, a very cleverly hidden cache, hope the hide maintains itself, its tricky! FTF and was rewarded with a dinner at chez Dragonfreys. TFTC!!!!!