nessker: After rbq's caring log and helpful email about the cache I drove out to look at the area again. This spot has had it's fair share of troubles with the property owner telling people different reasons they shouldn't be there. So tricky if people are walking on the owner's property when the cache was in the GRC on the busy road where you never needed to interact with the property. Thank you so much rbq for your time, to the many cachers over the years that have found this cache or replaced it for me when I asked for their help. I'm sad to let a cache go after 11 years, but I guess it is time.