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Euclid goes Geocaching Mystery Cache

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Oelig: Anno domini renders maintenance impractical so archive it is.
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Hidden : 2/6/2012
Difficulty:
4 out of 5
Terrain:
3.5 out of 5

Size: Size:   small (small)

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Geocache Description:

Here's one for those who paid attention in their Geometry lessons.
(Mental health warning: Rather than latitude and longitude, this puzzle uses National Grid coordinates, beloved of traditional hill walkers.)


The cache is NOT at the listed coordinates: they refer to a possible parking place.

Somewhere in Scotland there's a cache equidistant from three points whose National Grid refs are:

  • NT 10687 81154 - St. Margaret's Hope, Firth of Forth
  • NO 15630 01736 - Near St. Serf's Island, Loch Leven
  • NN 80605 27536 - E of Carn Chois, Loch Turret

(Don't bother trying to visit those places without your water wings. There's no point, anyway, because they are literally miles from GZ.)

The word "Geometry" comes from Greek words meaning "Earth" and "measure" and the ancient Greeks applied it to what they saw Egyptians doing; measuring and mapping fields so that after the Nile's floods had washed away the boundaries, they could restore farmers' properties, accurately and in full, once the waters had receded.

(No doubt it came in useful when assessing the landowners for tax, too.)

So in the image, that's not Messrs Mason and Dixon drawing their famous line: It's a team of ancient Egyptians who have arrived in Scotland, hired their kilts, and have begun training for this problem using methods that Euclid would have recognised. Provided their ropes are the same length, any point on their (dashed) line is equidistant from the fixed pegs representing two given points.

The question now is "How to use the third point they have been given?".

The Greeks knew of course: Euclid's Elements: Book IV: Proposition 5 is
"To Circumscribe a circle about a given triangle."

And to really labour the point, here's how it's done.

However, this puzzle uses points that are widely spaced so they don't fall on one OS map sheet nor, indeed, in one major grid square (such as NS). Besides, ruler-and-compass geometrical constructions are less precise than a GPS device.

So next up is Rene Descartes who not only convinced himself of his own existence, but also invented graphs, charts and the application of algebra to geometry. Analytic Geometry. In his Cartesian coordinate system, the algebraic solution to the puzzle is here: Algebraic solution. The word "Algebra", by the way, comes from Arabic al-jebr meaning "reunion of broken parts".

If those formulae turn you off, you could always use trial and error: Guess a pair of coordinates for GZ then use Pythagoras (another Greek) to find the distance to each given point and adjust the guess until all three distances are equal. When they are, there'll be no need for Geochecker.

A spreadsheet would be very handy for this and it's not such a bad idea. Isaac Newton made the method of successive approximation respectable.

By the way, this puzzle treats the National Grid as a plane surface. A degree of latitude and a degree of longitude are different in length around here so lat/long coordinates give the wrong answer in the algebraic formulae mentioned above. (You WERE worrying about that, weren't you ?)

When you log your find, please say which method you used to find the coords.


Getting to GZ:

Swap your toga for normal hill-walking gear: weather-proof clothes and sturdy boots. If you start in Menstrie, for example  , parking at the posted co-ordinates, you'll have to use some gates but you WON'T have to climb over any walls. Nor will you have to negotiate any crags, tricky slopes or burns.

The cache is NOT in any wall: it's behind some stones in a small dip, perhaps where the builders of a nearby drystane dyke got their rocks.

It's sheep country so keep your dog under close control.


The landowner's permission to place the cache is gratefully acknowledged.


Congratulations Broccoli Soup on first FTF!

Additional Hints (Decrypt)

Jrr oyhr qvtvgf ng gur pbearef bs lbhe BF zncf. Vs Nenovp vf nyy Terrx gb lbh, tb Rtlcgvna.

Decryption Key

A|B|C|D|E|F|G|H|I|J|K|L|M
-------------------------
N|O|P|Q|R|S|T|U|V|W|X|Y|Z

(letter above equals below, and vice versa)