jo&keith: sorry it wasn't there for you to find , but thanks for reporting the dnf... been to check cache , it has gone... was hidden in the round tube than goes through the lamp post hinge , just under a foot up from ground level , was an aluminium screw together type , like lighten up2 , but attached to a plastic stick so you could have got it out of the lamp post... as its location has been discovered by muggles , i will archive this cache ... may replace cache in another location near this one soon... keep on caching [;)]