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Lorgadh: Hi

One of my roles as a reviewer is to monitor my region for caches that have been disabled for a long time, have had a reasonable number of DNFs or appear to require some maintenance. This is done through running a query on a database of all the caches in my region that looks for such things or by cachers submitting Needs Archiving logs as it appears maintenance may not be being carried out by the CO.

It would appear that this cache has been disabled for some months now. May I ask that the owner checks the cache and sort out any problems with it or gives an indication of when it may be up and running again for people to find. If this cannot be done or if the CO no longer wishes to maintain the cache then the listing should be archived.

Of course if the CO has visited the cache recently then please post an Owner Maintenance log indicating that they have done so, enable the listing, and all should be fine.

In the future, if a listing is going to be disabled for a long time then posting periodic notes to the page (once per month or so) keeps people up to date with what is happening.

This isn't a requirement to fix the cache immediately but if it's unlikely to be done within 30 days could the CO post a note to the cache page giving an indication of when the maintenance will be done, or an indication of why it cannot be carried out.

By all means send a mail to me through my profile, quoting the cache name and GC code, but please also post a note to the cache page. Emails to me may be missed or go astray and it would be a shame to archive the listing due to missing correspondence.

Guidelines: "You are responsible for occasional visits to your cache to maintain proper working order, especially when someone reports a problem with the cache (missing, damaged, wet, etc.). You may temporarily disable your cache to let others know not to search for it until you have a chance to fix the problem. This feature is to allow you a reasonable amount of time - normally a few weeks - in which to check on your cache. If a cache is not being maintained, or has been temporarily disabled for an unreasonable length of time, we may archive the listing."

Sadly if there is no response to this log after 30 days I may have to archive the cache.

Please note that the guidelines say that if a cache is archived by a reviewer or GeocachingHQ staff for lack of maintenance it will not be unarchived - Unarchiving a Geocache


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Carnbooth AA Battery

A cache by kev23y Send Message to Owner Message this owner
Hidden : 02/20/2013
2 out of 5
2 out of 5

Size: Size:   micro (micro)

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Geocache Description:

This was going to be part of the "Elusive Cider Tree" series, but i thought better than to have you wading through the River Cart.
Boots or wellies for this one and take a minute once you are on site to picture how this must have looked 70 years ago.

4.5 inch AA Gun

A World War II anti-aircraft battery was sited to the west of Carmunock. Site number GSG3 (early), S3 (later). Part of the Clyde AA Defences, the site was known as Carnbooth, possibly Mid Netherton or Carmunock. The location of this enclosure makes it very probable that this is one of a series of heavy anti-aircraft batteries which were guarding the approaches to Glasgow and the Clyde Estuary during the Second World War.

This heavy anti-aircraft position is situated on Netherton Braes and consisted of a four 4.5 inch gun-emplacement battery, with the GL mat (gun laying radar false horizon hexagon) to the N. The command post, magazines, gun store, engine room and computing rooms all survive in a field. The hut bases for the crew accommodation camp are still visible to the E.

The 4.5 inch QF Mark II naval gun was utilised on a single gun mounting (Mounting Mk 1) in anti-aircraft guise in static sites. The pedestal mount was bolted to concrete in an armoured turret, a travelling platform was available to transport the gun and mounting between positions. The first unit became operational in February 1939. These 16.5 ton anti-aircraft mountings had a max elevation angle of 80 degrees. However, most mountings were Mark 1A with an elevation range of -9.5 to 80 degrees, this enabled the gun to be dual role (AA/CD) in coastal areas.

The guns were fitted with Magslip electrical data transfer from Predictors AA Nos 3 and 5 and were probably used inially with GL radars and UB 10 18 feet base optical height & rangefinders. AA control radars evolved rapidly. The gun was laid and fuzes set by pointer matching, it is unclear the extent to which advances in 3.7-inch fire control were applied to 4.5-inch. However, mid-war Machine Fuze Setter No 10 was added, this improved the rate of fire from 8 to 10 rounds per minute and raised the effective ceiling to 34,500 feet. However, initially the standard fuze was an igniferous design, No 199 with a maximum running time of 30 seonds that limited performance.

What is very significant here, is that following a site visit in 2008, investigation of the remains revealed that this was a formerly undocumented postwar AA battery conversion. This is in fact one of a small number of former World War II heavy anti-aircraft batteries that were for use during the Cold War.

The changes to the WWII site suggest that the battery had been incorporated into the Cold War anti-aircraft defences created as part of the postwar ROTOR air defence system. ROTOR was a huge and elaborate air defence radar system created during the 1950s to counter the threat of Soviet bombers, and which controlled anti-aircraft batteries operated by Fighter Command and the British Army.

The four gun emplacements were found to have been of a Type L construction, but the six original sheltered ammunition stores constructed around the perimeter of each emplacement have been removed and replaced by four Type H structures. In addition, each emplacement has been provided with its own engine room, magazine and targeting computer.
Other than a few concrete bases and some piles of demolition debris, little remains of the accommodation camp. Some evidence of the camp sewage system remains evident on the ground.

FTF ------- Johnsar!

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