Olewaif: I'll confess to a BIT of hesitation on this archive BUT only a bit. NO finds this year .. A few people have told me FOR YEARS something like " Oh I'm gonna go get them.." uh huh .. when ? Answer: NEVER!! The cachers that would ever get this nice enough LOOP right back to your car hiking group.. already have. So now they are gone too ! I could drive up to this one..