Well, this really is not much of a vineyard. Can't garantee that the vine is even alive. I am hoping that a few more than the average 4 or 5 cachers who will go after a cache that is not a cache and dash will make the trip.. Call this a return to the old days when caches were a bit of a hike and search. It is not even that far. I made the trip with really bad knees so most cachers can do it. When you do find it remember to slide up for access.