graylling: I went down this morning to check on the cache and spent 1/2 hr poking around GZ with no luck. It seems this one has disappeared for good this time. As much as I hate to do it I am going to archive it and open up the area. It's had a good run and was one of the longest surviving caches in the area but it's been replaced a few times already and I don't want to do it again only to have it disappear once more. Thanks to everyone who found it over the years. [:)]