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Hidden : 9/10/2005
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Jednoducha multicache v krasnem prostredi Narodniho parku Podyji, korunovana uzasnou vyhlidkou. Dve samostatne varianty trasy. / Simple multicache in the beautiful Podyji National Park, with a splendid view in the last part. Two separate variants.

(English info below the whole Czech part.)

Cache byla zalozena v zari 2005 a z te doby pochazi "naddyjska" varianta trasy. V kvetnu 2009 byla pridana druha, "podyjska" varianta trasy. Listing je tedy smesi prapuvodniho textu a uprav z kvetna 2009. Varianty jsou na sobe nezavisle, muzete si tedy vybrat... nebo si udelat pekny okruh a projit nakonec obe varianty. (V prubehu casu doslo parkrat ke zmene umisteni finalky, to soucasne je z brezna 2010).

CTETE PROSIM POZORNE !!!

Kazda z variant trasy ma sva specifika a je docela dulezite ucinit pri vyberu "informovane rozhodnuti." :)
V logu pak prosim uvedte, kterou variantu jste zvolili.
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1. VARIANTA TRASY - "NADDYJSKA" - (tradicni)

Jednodussi - pohodlnejsi co se tyce terenu. Vhodna i pro cyklisty nebo rodinky s kocarkem. Minimalni prevyseni. Mene casove narocna. Bezproblemova i v zime. Muze byt mene prijemna v lete za horkych dni.

Puvodni varianta z roku 2005, ovsem s podstatne zjednodusenym prubehem (redukovano na jednu uvodni stage, zjednoduseny vypocet).
Zacina na peknem romantickem miste u studanky a provede Vas pres vresoviste, kolem vinic a vzdusnym dubovym lesem na jedno z nejkrasnejsich mist znojemske casti Narodniho parku Podyji. (Budete se pohybovat na urovni krajiny v sirsim okoli hluboce zariznuteho udoli Dyje a nakonec dojdete na horni hranu tohoto udoli - proto varianta "naddyjska.") Co se narocnosti trasy tyce - ukladani cache (s touto variantou pristupu) jsem absolvoval s rodinkou zahrnujici i dve dvoulete deti, delici se o jeden sportak, a bylo to bez problemu, pekny vylet na pul dne. Celkova trasa od optimalniho mista k parkovani auta i se zpatecni cestou se vejde do 7-8 km. Doporucit ale muzu i vylet ze Znojma na kole, zvlaste pak pres Kravi horu (visit link) , kde je krasny vyhled na mesto. Na kole (staci trekove), prip. i s kocarkem je mozne se bez vetsich problemu dostat do vzdalenosti nekolika kroku od cache.

START1 - souradnice Ns 48° 49.176' Es 016° 00.710'

Souradnice Vas privedou pred malou bilou stavbu vedle mohutneho stromu. Na jejim pruceli byste jeste zacatkem roku 2013 nasli kriz se ctyrmi cisly (jeho 'vygumovana' podoba viz obr. "blind cross") - tedy s letopoctem, ze ktereho se puvodne cosi zjistovalo. Po rekonstrukci fasady tato moznost prestala byt pouzitelna, zhruba od cervence 2013 mame tedy nahradni variantu: vedle vchodu do kaple najdete informacni tabuli. Doctete se tam mj. i to, ze 14. srpna jisteho roku sehral svou roli v historii kaple i "pomocny biskup z Prahy Fr. Lobkowicz". Zajima vas samozrejme ten rok - ctyrmistny letopocet. Jeho prvni cislice vam da hodnotu pismena A, treti cislice hodnotu B, posledni cislice pak hodnotu C.
Hned vedle je par lavicek, kde si muzete s vypoctem sednout, a studanka (pumpa). (Kazdy rok je provaden rozbor vody, jeho vysledek najdete na tabulce u studny a nekdy i tady v listingu. Pro zatim posledni viz log z 8.9.2014).

Primo zde uz muzete vypocitat souradnice finalky - Nc1, Ec1.

Nc1 = 48°50.B*B*C - B*(C-A) +7
Ec1 = 15°59.(A+B)*(C*C+A)*B +20

(Pozn. - ty "praseci konstanty" (+7 a +20) nejsou ve vzorci proto, ze bych neumel sestavit poradny vzorec, ale proto, ze se mi ho momentalne nechce po x-te prekopavat :) - na jare 2010 totiz keska o kousek zmenila sve umisteni, jde tedy spis o nejjednodussi zpusob dodatecne korekce souradnic. Vzorec bez onech ciselnych korekci by vas tedy zavedl na predposledni byvale umisteni kesky...)

Do GPS zadavejte souradnice velmi pozorne, od tech startovnich se lisi i v minutach a dokonce stupnich.

Nez se vydate dal, muzete se treba jeste projit kousek tam (na zapad) a zpatky po mistnim vyhlasenem vresovisti...

Poznamky k finalce naleznete o kousek dal, za popisem 2. varianty - tyto informace jsou uz pochopitelne pro obe varianty spolecne.

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2. VARIANTA - "PODYJSKA" - (tradicnejsi nez tradicni)

Narocnejsi teren. Naprosto nepouzitelna pro cyklisty (jak terenem, tak z hlediska pravidel Narodniho parku), neprujezdna s kocarkem. Ke konci vyrazne stoupani (o to vetsi, "zaslouzena" radost z vyhledu). :) Malebnejsi, pestrejsi. Intenzivnejsi "Podyjska zkusenost" - cesta primo kolem reky. Komornejsi - potkate zde rozhodne mene lidi nez "nahore", mozna nikoho. V horkych letnich dnech jiste prijemnejsi, muze byt obtizna az nebezpecna v zime (ve snehu ci naledi).

Varianta pridana v kvetnu 2009. V dobe zalozeni cache byla tato kdysi tradicni vyletni trasa kolem reky oficialne nepouzitelna - turisticka znacka zde byla zrusena a podle pravidel nove zalozeneho Narodniho parku byla tedy tato cesta nepristupna. Po nekolika letech kdosi kdesi prehodnotil situaci a cesta byla opet vyznacena... takze muzeme. :)

START2 je pod hrazi Znojemske prehrady: N 48° 51.225 E 016° 02.489.

Najdete zlutou turistickou znacku (bez problemu se muzete nechat navest Ivomirovou kesi (Znojemska prehrada Dyje (visit link) ) a vyrazte po pesince podel prehrady. Ceka vas pekna prochazka kolem vody, cestou dve (tri?) nenarocne stage. K dispozici jsou waypointy, ale rozhodne se zbytecne netrapte hypnotizovanim sipky na GPS! Staci pozorne cist listing a sledovat pesinku, popsana mista jsou vyrazna a moc nehrozi, ze byste je presli. Vyplati se koukat pod nohy a na krasy kolem. :)

SKALSFIE: 48° 50.643 016° 01.009

(Nazev teto stage jsem si narychlo vymyslel pri ukladani waypointu do GPS... v podstate nic neznamena). :) Pesina vas privede na pekne mistecko pod skalou blizko u vody (pokud tedy nemate mapu Topo Czech, ktera by vam sdelila, ze jste jen tak v lese a sem tam projdete kolem jednoho z rady protahlych jezer :)), kde se da na chvili pohodlne sednout, odpocinout si, dat si svacinku... Pritom jiste nebude prilis namahave se trochu rozhlednout a vyplnit nasledujici maly kviz. :)

Na skale vpravo, blizko pesiny, je namalovany jakysi obrazek. Zub casu uz trochu zapracoval, ale snad jeste par let videt bude. :)
(Cervenec 2012: podle zprav od jednoho z hledacu byl obrazek v tomto roce obnoven, takze je opet dobre zretelny).
Co je tam namalovano? Pojmenujte to uplne jasnym, zakladnim vyrazem pro tuto zalezitost ve spisovne cestine a spocitejte pismena daneho slova. Jejich pocet = D.

Jeste jedna otazka. Jak je to s pesinou dal?
a) pokracuje dal uplne normalne kolem reky, co by s ni melo byt? E = 1
b) je potreba prekonat malou skalku, prelezt ci obejit... za ni pak pokracuje pesina
E = 2
c) nepokracuje, pod skalu vedla jen jakasi odbocka. Je potreba vratit se asi 10 metru na hlavni pesinu a skalu pak obejit shora
E = 3

Tak ci onak pokracujete dal, az...

SANKAR 48° 50.458 016° 00.741

... vas pesina privede k zakladum byvale utulny pro vyletniky. Jen o par kroku dale se pak cesticka prosmykne mezi dvema kameny. V tom vetsim, vpravo od pesiny, jsou dve vyrazne kremenne (?) zily. Mirne prerustaji mechem, jsou ale patrne i reliefne, vystupuji trochu z plochy kamene. Jedna z nich je vicemene svisla, jedna je vyrazne nasikmo. Kdybychom si tu sikmou predstavili jako svah kopce a posadili na nej sankare (clovicka na sankach), kam pojede?
a) doprava, F = 4
b) doleva, F = 5

VYHLED NA ROHU 48° 50.401 16° 00.556

Pesina vas privede na okraj male zatoky, "na roh" udoli. Podivejte se pres zatoku dal proti proudu reky, co vidite?
a) svah pokryty kameny
b) vyhlidkovy altanek na hrane udoli
c) nic, je tma, mlha, ztratili jste bryle...
No, tak jste se podivali. Urcite si snadno zjistite, na co jste to vlastne koukali, i kdyz treba az pozdeji. Pri nizkem stavu vody v prehrade muzete navic videt i zbytky historickeho mostu, kudy kdysi davno prekracovala reku dulezita mezinarodni cesta... i kdyz dnes uz to mozna vypada skoro neuveritelne. :) No a to je vse. Zadna pismenka, zadna cisla. Dal po pesine!

... uz byste radeji vedeli, kam dal po pesine? Budiz tedy, sestavte si souradnice finalni cache. (Nc2, Ec2 ... = Nc1, Ec1)
Dosadte a v zavorkach dopocitejte jednotliva mista tisicin minuty, zadne pocetni operace mezi zavorkami uz neprovadejte.

Nc2 = 48° 50.E (D-E) E
Ec2 = 15° 59.(D+F) E (2*E-F)

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FINALKA - CACHE

! CACHE LEZI V I. ZONE NARODNIHO PARKU, PRIZBUSOBTE TOMU SVE CHOVANI!

Pohybovat se smite pouze po znacenych stezkach, na kole pak po cyklostezkach. To ovsem neni nic hrozneho, protoze i vlastni schranka lezi hned u znacene cesty. V letni sezone a/nebo o vikendech byva v okoli hodne mudlonavstevniku, davejte proto prosim pozor, jestli vas pri hledani a manipulaci s keskou nekdo nesleduje! Pokud by snad primo u finalnich souradnic bylo nejak narvano, nezoufejte a bezte se zatim o kousek dal pokochat vyhledem, vsak ona se casem situace zmeni. :) Vasi pozornosti doporucuji mj. (od trojuhelniku oznacujiciho konec zelene znacky, tedy z te nejhlavnejsi vyhlidky) v azimutu 315° vyraznou skalni stenu nad rekou - Byci skalu, primo pod Vami ve zhruba stejnem smeru jedno z nekolika kamennych mori v udoli Dyje, a nakonec v azimutu asi 30° maly altanek na hrane druhe strany udoli - dalsi z uchvatnych vyhlidek... :)
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Pokud byste zatouzili po jeste klidnejsim miste, zkuste vyrazit po zelene a zlute znacce ve smeru ke Znojmu (po proudu reky) - asi po 100 metrech narazite na dalsi vyhlidku, skytajici o neco jiny uhel pohledu, a dokonce i vyhled az na Znojmo.
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Venujte prosim pozornost take peclivemu ulozeni cache zpet a dobremu maskovani.
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Vrele doporucuji vybrat si na tento vylet dobu, kdy se da predpokladat, ze na vyhlidce nebude narvano. Tedy lepe mimo sezonu nez o prazdnicnach, lepe ve vsedni den nez o vikendu, lepe rano ci navecer... atd.

Prijemnou zabavu!

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ENGLISH:

You can choose between two independent variants of the cache hunt. The first one comes from 2005, the other was added in May 2009.

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VARIANT 1
Shorter, easier, more suitable in winter... Accessible also by bicycle, with a stroller etc.

The search starts at a nice spot with a well, and it will lead you across moorland (heath), along wineyards and through bright oak forest to one of the most beautiful places of the Podyji National Park. The trip is not difficult - I planted the cache with the assistance of my family, including 2 two-years-old children sharing one stroller (taking turns) - and it was without any problem, just a nice 1/2day trip... The length of the whole trip - from the place where you'll probably leave your car, including the way back - is no more than 7-8 km. (However, I can also recommend a bike trip from Znojmo, especially via Kravi hora (Cow Hill) (visit link) - there's a beautiful view of Znojmo.

START1 - coordinates N 48° 49.176' E 016° 00.710'
Without any trouble, you should be able to locate a nice, small white building next to a big tree. The coordinates given should lead you directly in front of it, and on the face wall you'll find a cross with four numbers (see the picture "blind cross" - with the numbers wiped out, of course). The upper left number is A, the upper right number is B, the lower right number is C. - - - 07/2013: stage temporarily "down". a = 1, b = 9, c = 3. - - - Right next to the building there are some benches, where you can sit down for the calculation, and a well, which, according to a May 4th 2011 analysis, unfortunately doesn't meet the standarts for drinking water at the moment.

Right here, you can calculate the coordinates of the final cache (Nc1, Ec1):

Nc1 = 48°50.B*B*C - B*(C-A) +7
Ec1 = 15°59.(A+B)*(C*C+A)*B +20

Input the coordinates into your GPSr carefully - they differ from the starting coordinates also in minutes and even grades!

Before you continue the search, you might be interested in taking a little walk west, accross the moorland, and back...

For details about the final cache, just skip the description of the second variant. The information about the final cache is the same for both variants.

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VARIANT 2

More challenging terrain, more intensive and rewarding experience. Not accessible by bike or with a stroller!

START2 - N 48° 51.225 E 016° 02.489. Find a yellow marked tourist path and follow it towards the dam and then on along the river. Ivomir's cache (Znojemska prehrada Dyje (visit link) ) can help you to get the right direction.

SKALSFIE: 48° 50.643 016° 01.009

The path will lead you to a nice spot near the river, where you can rest for a while... and answer some simple questions.

Look at the rock next to the path. On the right, there is a painting, a bit worn out, but still clearly visible. What is it? Name it with the basic term for this in standart English and count the letters of that word. That gives you the value D.

What about the path itself?
a) What? It just goes on along the river, what's the matter? E = 1
b) The path goes over a small rock you have to climb over, then goes on along the river.
E = 2
c) The path doesn't go on at all! This was juts a short dead-end branch of the main path, so you have to walk back a few meters and then continue along the main path up the hill.
E = 3

SLEDGE RIDER 48° 50.458 016° 00.741

... the path leads you along the remnants of an old shelter. Right behing that place, it goes between two stones. On the bigger one, on the right side of the path, you can find two distinct veins. One is almost vertical, the other one is inclined to one side. Imagine this as a hill slope. If a sledge rider starts on this slope, where will he/she go?

a) to the right, F = 4
b) to the left, F = 5

On we go! Unfortunately, the path will eventually turn uphill, so forget about sledge riding...
Get the coordinates of the final cache (Nc2, Ec2 ... = Nc1, Ec1):

Substitute; calculate only inside the brackets.

Nc2 = 48° 50.E (D-E) E
Ec2 = 15° 59.(D+F) E (2*E-F)

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FINAL CACHE
The coordinates will direct you into the area of the National Park. Therefore, you should keep to marked paths. This is no major hindrance to you, as the cache lies directly by a marked trail.
The place can be crowded at some moments during the main tourist season. In that case, just relax and enjoy the view! You can go to the nearby viewpoint marked by a green triangle, for instance. You should notice - among other things - in the bearing 315° from the triangle a distinct cliff just above the river - the Bulls' Rock; in the same direction, just in front of you, one of the Dyje valley 'stone seas' (rock fields) and, finally, in the bearing 30° a small gazebo on the edge of the other side of the river valley.
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As the place can be occupied by geomuddles (especially on weekends), you may need a quiet spot... Try heading 40°, that is, following the green and yellow marked path in the direction (HRAD) - after about 100 m you'll get to another vista, providing a different point of view, and, from this place, you can even see Znojmo in the distance :]

Make sure nobody is watching when you retrieve the cache, and also when you put it back! (The area is especially busy in summer and at the weekends). When hiding the cache, please make sure that it is not visible! Thank you.

Good luck and enjoy the hunt!

Additional Hints (Decrypt)

[CZ:] yrmvpv irqyr fgbwvpvpu, i qbyvxh [ENG:] ylvat orfvqrf fgnaqvat, va gur cvg

Decryption Key

A|B|C|D|E|F|G|H|I|J|K|L|M
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N|O|P|Q|R|S|T|U|V|W|X|Y|Z

(letter above equals below, and vice versa)


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