Actually retrieved from the bottom of the TB bin at GWVI by BluCruz at the request of Rock&Crystal, and delivered safely to R&C's ranch in Paradise. They are no longer tighty, nor are they whitey!! Fortune smiled on the Fed's unmentionables as the only other remaining TB in the bin was a walking stick "Lucky Shillelagh", suitable for portage of such untouchables. Had it not been for this instrument of rescue the worst might have happened, and this TB would have faded into history (or the land fill). It will be tossed in the wash and made presentable again, and packed off to it's rightful owner... no not the Federation!! The Fed rides again... or atleast his undies!! Missed you guys!!Rock&Crystal