On the road again, soon I hope! The virtual issue, where do we begin? First we really needed caches to find and somebody came up with the virtual idea. It had some guidelines, but not many. Soon the floodgates were opened up and the virtuals came in from all over. There are some really lame ones out there. To claim your prize, what is the name on the mailbox at XXX Y street. Come on, that is not what the game is all about. 99 percent of them could be solved on the Internet. The basis of the caching game has always been to search for the hidden object. Granted, a virtual can be very hidden. We have steam locomotives, water towers, barns, tractors, road signs, surely if we want to bring them that far, we can place a micro with a sign in book nearby and call it a multi-cache. Just my two cents. There are some that were submitted by people whjo got the coordinates off of a map and do not even own a GPS. Just my two cents worth. Glen*