S-charm: Ok we will archive this one. Msmandy Spoke with the Rent-a-cops in the parking lot. They had real attitudes... Admitted that the cache was off their property, but, the parking lot "was" their "domain". OK, OK. so guess they showed us. So guess they will be stopping the many other vehicles using thier parking lot as a driveway now. Wonder how that will work. They were adament that they did not have the cache, wierd that it disappeared immediately after they ran into the first cacher, huh? next cacher couldn't find it. We will be looking for more, and better locations. Sorry for this FLUKE.