It's in there, and our Geodog is usually the one to find it. Her name is Baby, she is a 13 year old Chihuahua with the nose of a bloodhound. When seeking a recently placed or recently found cache hide, we just follow my geodog. She sits and waits patiently for us to catch up by the cache, tail wagging and very proud. She earned her trackable tag and her geostripes.. so this one is for the dogs. You are seeking a regular size loc-n-loc in a slight nest of logs. If ups= unnatural pile of sticks, is this nol- nest of logs? Because that is exactly what I have scratched beside these coords in my notes, you decide.